I bought a hangar a while back that has a wood glider project. Fuselage, stab and fin seem pretty much assembled. One wing is a skeleton and there is an assortment of pieces. I have NO PAPERWORK OF ANY KIND except for one badly faded construction drawing on which I was able to make out a model number but there is no way for me to know for sure that drawing goes to this aircraft. Would there be any interest in a project of this kind?

A complete BG-12 with open trailer just sold for $25.00 on Barnstormers.............doubt you will find anyone interested in a partial old wooden death trap?
JJ

There are several BG12 flying here in .au, nobody has died yet. A simple strong wooden aircraft.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:35:41 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I bought a hangar a while back that has a wood glider project. Fuselage, stab and fin seem pretty much assembled. One wing is a skeleton and there is an assortment of pieces. I have NO PAPERWORK OF ANY KIND except for one badly faded construction drawing on which I was able to make out a model number but there is no way for me to know for sure that drawing goes to this aircraft. Would there be any interest in a project of this kind?

Hang it on the wall as art. Or find someone with a bar that needs cool things hanging from the ceiling. I don't think you will find anyone with the interest and energy to put one of these together for flying.

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:06:10 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> Hang it on the wall as art. Or find someone with a bar that needs cool things hanging from the ceiling. I don't think you will find anyone with the interest and energy to put one of these together for flying.

Heh heh. Hold my beer. :-)

So, where is it?

Steve Leonard
Wichita, KS

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 8:20:43 AM UTC-7, Steve Leonard wrote:
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:06:10 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> >
> > Hang it on the wall as art. Or find someone with a bar that needs cool things hanging from the ceiling. I don't think you will find anyone with the interest and energy to put one of these together for flying.
>
> Heh heh. Hold my beer. :-)
>
> So, where is it?
>
> Steve Leonard
> Wichita, KS

We knew we could count on you, Steve! Go Get um!!!

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 9:52:19 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 8:20:43 AM UTC-7, Steve Leonard wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:06:10 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> > >
> > > Hang it on the wall as art. Or find someone with a bar that needs cool things hanging from the ceiling. I don't think you will find anyone with the interest and energy to put one of these together for flying.
> >
> > Heh heh. Hold my beer. :-)
> >
> > So, where is it?
> >
> > Steve Leonard
> > Wichita, KS
>
> We knew we could count on you, Steve! Go Get um!!!

Tony can grab the Cherokees, I will grab the BeeJeesuses. Or, would that be BeeJeezi?

Steve Leonard

CQ is correct; at least one being actively flown in Australia (club owned?) and 2 with current registration in the US. Not sure how one can say they're a death trap, but if you're serious, better let them know their life is in danger. I seem to remember one of you guys building wooden glider(s) in the past, so you must be in a position to opine.

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/Results.aspx?queryId=ed5c9d2f-7d15-4dfd-829a-5bc5af6ee194

Investigate and draw your own conclusions.

T8

I didn’t say the BG-12 was a death trap...........I said THIS BG-12 was a death trap! No construction log, no materials log, no inspection log..........who built it? What glue did he use? How’s it been stored for maybe 50 years?
Having said that, T8’s post has got to give everyone cause to consider the bird extremely suspect.
I’m an old wood chipper, but they must be inspected regularly, stored correctly and flown within conservative limits! The Tehachapi fatality was nothing short of heartbreaking. The kid and his dad were under the false impression that any aircraft that was in license was probably safe + the kid tried to perform a high speed pass, like he’d seen the big guys do..........how’d that work out for him?

Flame suit on,
JJ

It is located at Eufaula, OK (F08).

Most read like pilot/builder error. Over speed, Over g and poor construction on a push rod seemed to be the primary fatals. EAB powered aircraft suffer from similar issues so it doesn't surprise me to see homebuilt gliders with similar reports. I knew a guy who bought it in a Titan Tornado. It didn't make the aircraft a bad design or him a bad pilot. Just a bad decision on that day.

It is in Eufaula, OK (F08).

"Investigate and draw your own conclusions."

Looks pretty conclusive... pilot error by pilots with little or no time in make and model. The very first one is a guy show boating during his first flight in the thing. Then there is a flap overspeed with witnesses saying he was high and very fast. A classic stall/spin and what appeared to be a controlled flight into terrain. There was a poorly constructed pushrod.

I knew the family, post accident. Not quite correct on JJ's part.

As told to me by the bereaved father:

Youngster enjoyed a great day. Decided via radio that he would return quickly to give Dad a chance to also soar. Trying to descend rapidly, he opened flaps and then added speed. Parasitic drag is a mighty tool. The flap hinges were not as called out on plans. Multiple door hinges rather than piano hinge, IIRC.
Speed and load failed the spar at a hinge edge.

I cannot imagine the horror of watching a loved one lose their life before you. We cannot know if the young pilot exceeded flap speed, but it is possible.

The family established scholarships in their son's memory with EAA. The father had scratch built 2 airplanes before soaring.

Meanwhile, there are few folks with the skills to safely complete a partially built project. With fresh plans/materials, and a complete build, a BG-12 is a nice machine. I knew several guys (since gone of old age) who loved theirs.

Cindy

On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 6:34:23 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> It is located at Eufaula, OK (F08).

PM sent to address used for posting.

Steve Leonard

Thanks Cindy, sometimes accident reports don't list everything.